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I hadn't noticed this at first, but it seems to me that the Galactica as presented in the new series looks like it could've been a Babylon 5 spaceship. It's as if the Earth Alliance and the Narn Regime combined their efforts to create one mega-powerful warship! Not only that, there's also that shaky-camera-zoom-in effect which they also did on B5. Now I'm not saying the new Galactica is a B5 rip-off. It's just that I've noticed certain similarities between the two shows.
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Wed, March 16, 2005 - 8:42 PM"It's just that I've noticed certain similarities between the two shows."
Hmmm, could it be the excellent graphics work or the superlative writing? Maybe it's the obscure and twisty plot development? These similarities alone equal great enjoyment : ).
Is JMS writing episodes for Galactica?
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Fri, March 18, 2005 - 7:11 AMHere's something else: The deployment of the Vipers from that cargo ship in "The Hand of God" reminded me of Starfurys being launched from the "corbra bays" of Babylon 5. -
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Fri, March 18, 2005 - 10:41 AMI think it reminds us of B5 because that's how space battles are supposed to look like. So BSG used the same mechanics of B5, hence more realisms or similarities. I think more sci-fi shows and movies should use the same physics of B5 and BSG (I think FF - Firefly - used the same thing)...hope I'm not sounding like I'm giving a bunch of "BS." -
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Sat, November 4, 2006 - 8:55 AM<< I think FF - Firefly - used the same thing >>
Zoic Studios did the effects for Firefly, and moved to BSG next.
www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php
www.uemedia.net/CPC/vfxpro...13948.shtml
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Sat, November 4, 2006 - 1:43 PM>>Is JMS writing episodes for Galactica? <<
no, JMS would have a solid plotline and no major holes .... :)
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Thu, March 24, 2005 - 12:45 AMWell...they are alike in regard that if you miss one episode, you have to spend two episode playing catch-up with all the sub plots...
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 1:49 PMBaltar's lackluster leadership of The Twelve Colonies of Kobol kind of reminds me of Londo's reluctant leadership of the Centauri Republic. Both characters thought leading their respective peoples would be the best thing to happen to them. But after being leader, they both decide it wasn't as great as they thought (or at least that's one interpretation).
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 2:33 PMYeah, but Edward J Olmos would kick Bruce Boxleitner's ASS in hand-to-hand!
The saddest part about B5 was watching it fade away after it got traded to death. It got lamer and lamer, eventually becoming a couple of halfhearted spinoffs. Blah.
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 2:47 PMOne thing BSG has going for it that B5 didn't on any consistent basis is a regular sense of top-notch performance, both acting and direction-wise. As wonderful as the storytelling was, the dialogue was generally pretty stilted, and only the quality actors on the show (Mira Furlan, Andreas Katsulas, and Peter Jurasik to name the cream of the crop) could make it sound eloquent. And they were CURSED with nothing but shitty extras! OY! And sometimes the physical direction almost rang of old Space 1999 eps.
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 3:15 PMI think the biggest difference between BSG and B5 is that JMS had the entire plot laid out before a single script was written. In fact, he had the whole timeline of the human race from primordial sludge to advanced energy form tacked up around the office. Every time a prophecy was made, you could start the clock ticking, because it would definitely come to pass. BSG feels a lot more like X Files: "they have a plan" but even the scriptwriters don't know what it is. This kind of seat-of-the-pants writing style eventually boxes you into the same kind of plotholes that Stargate has been having since season 2. Basically, you're either eposodic (like Star Trek) or storline arch (like BSG) if you can't fully commit to one or the other....you get despised like X files.
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Thu, March 16, 2006 - 6:54 AMYeah, but Nathan Fillion (Captain Mal Reynolds from "Firefly") would kick both their asses. And while we're at it, Zoe could kick Six's skinny little ass too.
I also disagree that B5 got lamer. They had to cut out 12 shows from the intended story. For their time and within their limited budget, they were years ahead of their time in graphics, intelligence and cohesiveness. And they were the first sci fi show to give us a broader sense of philosophy, metaphysics and the balance of good and evil within us all, while giving us a darn good and action packed storyline.
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Thu, March 16, 2006 - 8:37 AMI agree with everything you say, Cat. I just thought the overall acting talent left me wanting more, with the exceptions I mentioned above (Londo, G'kar, etc.)
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 10:56 PMThe closest similarity between the new BG & B5 is that the people are human beings. They're flawed, they're funny, they're pathetic, and they make mistakes.
What's ironic is that BG producer Ronald D. Moore was a scripter on Next Generation. Given how utterly pathetic Next Gen was--trapped in the Utopian Federation--I can only imagine how shackled Moore must have felt. In BG he shows humans in all their flawed beauty.
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Thu, March 16, 2006 - 9:59 AMI still remember Ronald D. Moore's first STNG script which was The Admiral where the Enterprise is lured into the Neutral Zone by the Romulans by disinformation. Still one of my favorite episodes especially when he tells Picard that by not having a family and children he has paid to far a price for his career and starfleet.
And as T.E. says, the similarity and the wonderful thing about BSG and B5 is that the shows are still about flawed human beings trying to work out the same kinds of problems we have and having to do it without relying on miraculous technology as some other shows, which shall remain unnamed here used to do regularly. -
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Sat, November 4, 2006 - 7:37 AMThe merging of the hybrid with the base ship is another B5-like attribute of the show whereas Shadow vessels need to merge with an individual in order to function as well.
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Sat, November 4, 2006 - 9:23 AMI really enjoyed both shows, and I think Galactica owes a lot to B5 as B5 established that you CAN write a quality space opera for TV and get a good following.
But Galactica surprises me more. With all the signs and portents in Babylon 5, it felt like plot developments were being telegraphed. Then again, it was nice when JMS inverted those expectations, as with Londo and J'Kar's final moments together.
If ever two characters wished they knew how to quit each other... :)
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Sat, November 4, 2006 - 1:47 PMAs I sit here watching an episode of Farscape, I have to think the new BSG is a lot more like FS than B5. One ship, flying through the uncharted space, persued by enemies. Yeah... it's there.
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Sat, November 4, 2006 - 3:25 PMI've never seen B5, but BG has much of the same look and feel of
Space, Above & Beyond.
The "hybrid" concept reminds me of similar "ship is alive" themes
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 7:08 AMStarbuck's mysterious and miraculous resurrection from being crushed in that alien atmosphere also reminds me of Sheridans not-so-mysterious and miraculous resurrection from falling into that giant chasm on the planet Z'ha'dum soon after he nuked the planet's capitol city.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:27 PMActually the nuke exploded on his back as he was falling! Now that is a cockroach-tough hero.
In the absence of Galactica, I've been reviewing the ENTIRE Babylon 5 series. It may have been good for its time, but BOY DID IT SUCK! ~:o) The acting was overwrought, the graphics silly, and the entire final season was a major letdown. And the whole story thematic was an obvious hangover from the recently-ended Cold War.
I wonder if 7 years from now we'll look back at BSG and feel it was cheezy, overly topical, and primitive. Most likely.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 6:06 PM"I wonder if 7 years from now we'll look back at BSG and feel it was cheezy, overly topical, and primitive. Most likely. "
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Thu, January 24, 2008 - 3:58 PM7 years from now we could be watching:
- BSG reruns.
- The umpteenth season of a Stargate derivative.
- RDM's reimagination of Space 1999 or Star Maidens.
- A David Lynch original *non-military* sci-fi series
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Fri, January 25, 2008 - 12:22 AMAlready in preproduction on "The Velveteen Sandalmakers of Dune."
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 8:55 AMI think that the basic aesthetic of "realistic space opera" that RDM's BSG uses was pioneered by Babylon 5: realistic technologies, flawed characters, the resolution of one episode laying consequences for the next, et cetera. B5 was consistently the most intelligent SF on TV during the 1990s (though Deep Space Nine had a more accomplished ensemble cast) and so raised audience expectations so that one could have the new BSG.
I don't see much semblance between BSG and Farscape though. If anything, Farscape seems much more influenced by classic era Doctor Who-- but with more adult themes and on-going story arcs. -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:39 PMI liked Farscape's Rock&Roll science fiction style. And I must admit, I had a huge crush on Gigi Edgley (Chiana, the little blue space-trollop). Yep, GEEEEK! ~:o) But like most shows of its type, it just existed for too long.
B5 really was groundbreaking in all the ways you mentioned. But I fear for Ronald D Moore's vision of BSG, that it may suffer the same fate as Strazinski's B5 did; sliding into mediocrity as fan-base and studio alike lost respect for the production.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 6:23 PMI think the big problem that Farscape had was an unpredictable timeslot combined with a flakey US fanbase. Those were REALLY big episodes, and the A-line plot moved pretty quickly. One day you're drooling over GIgi, the next it seems they've replaced her with the irritating orange chick. 'Least that's how it seemed to me.
I've been re-running through the old tapes and I really love the Farscapes, despite the ever-present muppet influence. Thing is, you can say what you like about it, or the production values; but the scripts were as close to hard Sci-Fi as anything since .... Trek, I guess.
I finally got season 4 of Bab 5 on dvd. Very happy. I never liked season 5 and now that I've seen the dvd extras, I can see why. It always felt tacked on because it Was tacked on. JMS had a bible for all 5 years, but was told that only 4 years would ever get made. It wasn't until they were in primary shooting of the final episode that they found out they were getting picked up for another year. Also, keep in mind that the popularity of B5 and ST:TNG helped push SF enough into the mainstream that larger budget series could get made; like BSG and Heroes. -
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Thu, January 24, 2008 - 6:39 AMWhen was Trek ever "hard sci-fi"? The science was notoriously bad and the technobabble was not even remotely consistent from episode to episode. Occasional episodes might have been hard SF-- but the science would be contradicted in a future episode.
B5 was probably the first SF television program that was explicitly hard SF (at least with regards to Earth technology.) B5 had its flaws, but it was arguably one of the first successful American SF shows that was aimed specifically at an adult audience-- which Trek certainly was not.
Still, I think Farscape owed more to British science fiction television like Doctor Who, with quirky eccentric characters in quirky situations who want nothing to do with any military organization. Most TV in the SF genre is military (or at least law enforcement/special operations) oriented.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 8:12 PMTotal geek. I had a crush on Jon Crichton, which I completely blame on the leather pants. It was also fearless writing.
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Sat, March 21, 2009 - 10:21 AMThe final espisode also has certain B5-like aspects. Just as Sheridan mysteriously disappears forever in the final episode of B5, Starbuck also mysteriously disappears forever in the final episode of BSG. And the destruction of the Galactica and the rest of the fleet reminds me of how Kosh's ship was destoyed in the same way. Ain't that somethin'? -
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Sat, March 21, 2009 - 11:28 AMAnd the long, slow epilogue where you say goodbye to the characters. Similar storytelling tactics.
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Sat, March 21, 2009 - 4:00 PM"Plagiarize, let no one shade your eyes, just Plagiarize Plagiarize Plagiarize!
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Sun, March 22, 2009 - 11:46 AMOh, come on. there's nothing truly original that will come out of someone who wrote for Star trek and hated it.
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Mon, March 23, 2009 - 12:47 PMWell, at least he hated Star Trek! Those who wrote for it and loved it were probably even more devoid of originality.
From Jules Verne to Mary Shelley, the genre of Sci Fi encompasses a certain Canon of concepts which define it. All definitions are limitations, but you don't have a genre without those parameters.
So yes, rockets were copied, man-made people were copied, survivors of Apocalypse was copied.... etc ... etc ... etc ... We coud write an endless list of items that mark a similarity with other sci fi stories. BUT THAT'S SCI FI.
Galactica's not a Danielle Steel romance, nor is it a Western. It is an original work which utilizes the ideological canon of it's genre to tell a new and interesting story. And yes, it even expanded beyond the genre, dipping into mystery, fantasy, and military epic genres to flesh itself out.
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Mon, March 23, 2009 - 1:03 PMActually, (Duh) it just occurred to me, the show WAS stolen. The rights were pulled from Richard Hatch and given to these guys (don't know the whole story there). And, of course, we ARE talking about a "re-imagined" series ;D
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Mon, March 23, 2009 - 2:39 PM... Pulled? I knew Hatch had lobbied for years for a new BSG series and then Moore got the go. You say stolen.... How exactly did that happen? Do you have any links?
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 5:13 AMRichard Hatch never had the rights to Galactica. The television rights were owned by Universal and the theatrical rights were owned by Glenn Larson. Hatch could never acquire the rights to do more than pen a few spinoff novels. Larson's film treatments never found funding.
The comparison with Babylon 5 is educational-- there were similarities-- but also differences. They tended to have different strengths and faults. B5 certainly had the strength of a coherent well-planned story-arc. BSG was made up as it went along but much of the fourth season involved introducing retcons in order to explain away contradictions that had been introduced over the previous three seasons. Most of the retcons worked-- a few did not. -
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 11:23 AM"But it looks like Daniel.....
Must be the clouds in my eyes......"
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 12:25 PM"Richard Hatch never had the rights to Galactica"
That may be true, but the people who worked on this project feel like RDM stole it from them.
www.athenademos.tv/mpgs/bat...0_med.mov
B5 also had real science. The star furies were so detailed that NASA asked for the blueprints and permission to build. Meanwhile RDM is trying to sell us the fact that a simple network cable between two computers suddenly makes them vulnerable to outside attack, that ships in space explode inwards, that humlons who can interface directly with technology cannot be detected by a simple x-ray, that DNA can be pulled off a fossil, etc, etc, etc. The test between good SF and hack drama is the plausibility of the science. BSG was only plausible 'sounding' to the uneducated. B5 was mostly just plausible.
Yes, part of science fiction is the human interactions and sociological impacts of sciences and inquiries, but if you don't have the base science down, it's just Dallas with a StarWars set. And speaking of Star Wars, the other problem with BSG is the 'destiny' and other fantasy aspects. Weaving religion, in serious plot intervening forms like Kara and the angels, into science fiction feels a lot like teaching Intelligent Design in colleges. It's one thing to allow characters to have religion, you can even choose to respect it, but forcing it on the audience to explain events, that's a bit much. -
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Thu, March 26, 2009 - 11:30 AM<*smirk*>
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Sun, March 29, 2009 - 12:19 PMI like B5, but let's not pretend it's hard sci-fi. There are many, many aspects of that show that are more fiction than science.
Like how basically all non-human societies were monocultural, monoreligious and their identifying characteristics made them inferior and weak. Like the Drazi with their comical Purple/Green thing. It gave them character - laughing stock! Then you have the insanely close-range space combat, the presence of "plasma" weapons and the absence of any convincing laser weapons. There's parts where they have low-flying spaceships roar overhead at thousands of gees acceleration and surely very high speed (the white stars at the whole Alliance announcement at Earth), and the only affect on people standing underneath is their hair gets kind of rippled.
So parts of B5 were plausible to me, parts were not - just like with BSG. B5 also went into 'destiny' as well, with Sheridan playing a virtual Messiah, going into Hell to vanquish the demonic Shadows; with main characters everywhere playing vital, prophetic and religious roles (Sinclair as The One, Delenn as the One Who Can Stand In The Fire or whatever...). Whether the mix of fantasy and science fiction appeals to you, well, obviously YMMV, but I liked both series for what they were. Refreshing changes from standard sci-fi TV shows like Star Trek, which long ago lapsed into self-parody. -
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Sun, March 29, 2009 - 1:57 PMOkay, good points. Lets address them.
The drazi with the purple/green thing was intended to poke fun at the political rancor of the US. As much as we'd like to think we line up ideologically behind a candidate, the simple truth is that the two main parties are almost ideologically indistinguishable; certainly in practice.
Londo an J'Kar are from the same culture, two races, different religions, but completely interwoven in the way nigerians and native americans were woven into early US culture. And let's not forget the three distinctly different cultures of the Minbari. *sheesh*
The "plasma" hand weapons were actually explained when relic handguns were introduced. Leadslingers fell out of favor in space travel because they'd puncture the hulls or do other incidental damage. Lasers, too. The weapons they use were selected for doing the greatest damage to living tissue with the least damage to ships components. Lasers were used in intership battles all the time.
"thousands of gees acceleration" I doubt it, that would make them invisible in a second or so. 1 g accelleration is 32 ft/sec/sec or 12 mph/sec. 1000g acceleration would be 12000 mph gained every second. So in 1 second, they would be traveling 4 times the fastest speed of a bullet, in 2 seconds, 8 times faster, etc.
Sheridan, Yup, that stuff got a little irritating. But here's the kicker. In B5 when a prophesy (or a "Plan") was set down, it was also completed. The 3 episodes with Babylon 4 made that pretty crystal. Unlike BSG where signs and portents were used to create mystery and sell the series for another couple of episodes ("they have a plan"?!? I think not), EVERY prophesy was part of the overall intent of the show. As for the prophesies of The One, every bit of that came from the fact that Valen was actually Jeffry Sinclaire. Delen had no special powers or position other than a good education and a backbone. Prophesy and religious symbolism were never a crutch, or a gimmick. -
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Sun, March 29, 2009 - 7:14 PMI'm inclined to agree with Tedward here on the relative merits of the plotting of the two programs. JMS had a clear idea of where he was going with B5 by the time the pilot was shot. So, outside of actors leaving and joining the cast at various points, everything was planned in broadstrokes at least, and so he never had to introduce a significant retcon. The great revelations of the Shadows' and Vorlons' agendas were all foreshadowed-- the Earth Alliance Civil War was foreshadowed.
Battlestar Galactica relied too heavily on retcons and used the "spiritual" themes as a way of covering up for poor plotting.
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Tue, March 31, 2009 - 10:02 AMThe Drazi being some silly analogue to Dumb Americans really doesn't make it more acceptable, and certainly not more plausible.
The Minbari having castes (three!) doesn't really qualify as having multiple cultures since they're all part of the same, monolithic, it's-always-been-this-way fictitious culture. And I wouldn't say Londo and JKar were from the same culture any more than I'd say Nigerian and Native Americans have the same culture. They interact, of course, but they are separate cultures.
JMS put a lampshade over this when he had the Earth religious representatives be a long line of people from every Earth religion, while each other species only brought one. He later did it through Delenn when she talked about humans being special because "they build communities," that is to say, more diversity than a one-note stereotypical sci-fi species.
I wasn't referring to the plasma hand weapons, but the plasma weapons prominent in every space battle. Plasma just does not work like that - throwing blobs of hot goo that magically stops bullets and incoming shots. Plasma by its very nature dissipates rapidly. Lasers used in ship battles - but at ranges where the 'plasma weapons' were competitive. There is really no reason not to stand at a few tens of thousands of kilometers away and laser your enemy to death, but B5 chose to do the whole, whites-of-their-eyeballs ye-olde-naval-battle combat. It was a stylistic choice to be sure - in reality space combat would be bloody boring in comparison - but all the same, detracts from the plausibility.
You're right about the thousands of g's acceleration. All the same, they were going really fast, and it didn't do anything but riffle a few locks of hair. Ever stand on the curb next to high-speed traffic? Now again, that was a really cool shot with the whitestar fleet zipping overhead, but it's not very plausible.
It all seems like your main issue is that JMS conceived of the whole arc of his show wheres RDM did not. First this implies that RDM had the freedom and ability to do so - did he? (I have no idea.) But I don't see how it detracts from enjoying the show. I'm willing to suspend disbelief long enough to watch both shows, and the fact that the writers maybe were pulling things out of their asses means there's more room for me to interpret things in a way I prefer. I actually like that.... whereas with JMS, the Drazi purple/green thing can only be explained one way, his way. -
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Tue, March 31, 2009 - 10:37 AMOkay, yeah, ships weapons are an entirely different story. The only thing I can think of to justify them is that they store a lot of energy for quick release with low ejection requirements. In short you CAN create a lot of damage, and store it up, like a bullet, and not waste a lot of energy during the battle. By contrast, lasers either take a huge amount of time on target or a tremendous amount of energy to function. Similarly, if the ships are sheilded from meteors in any way, most guns would become useless.
Also, I got to thinking last night. J'Kar was a follower of J"kwon. THey made a point of saying that J'Kwon wasn't the dominant prophet on their planet. Besides Earth's diversity dwindles quickly when you talk to an American contingent (mostly white, christian, capitalist, etc). Also, Historically, Earth has had monolithic cultures: Egypt, Greece, Rome, and the mighty UK. Were it not for the US revolution, France would not have revolted, nor would Inda and we might all be under the thumb of the throne, worshiping at the C of E. Furthermore, several mentions of alien civil wars came up in the series indicating at least some fracturing of their "monolithic" cultures.
Finally, RDM was not only the primary writer for the show, he was the producer. Yes, he had the same freedoms. It's not like Heroes where they foist product placement re-writes on them. As long as he kept the ratings up, he could do as he pleased. -
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Tue, March 31, 2009 - 10:10 PMWow.
So, in a distinctly evasive move, I'd like to posit that Messiah themes and other "spiritual" or "supernatural" elements have been part of Science Fiction for a looooong time.
Frank Herbert anyone? Ender's Game maybe? Sci Fi plays with these things all the time. It's a bleedover from it's sister genre Fantasy, perhaps, but it's there.
Truth is, there isn't really that much pure, hard Sci Fi out there..... because its BORING. Zeep Gork, Mutation, Fire The Lasers, Warp Speed... Boring. ZZZzzzZZzzzz....
All the good stories are about people, and the crazy shit they do, and many of those stories delve into shit we can't explain. Not to vex our intellect or to cynically laugh at our need for tidy logical conclusions, but to lift us our of our ordinary reality and expand our notions of possibility.
Cause face it, weird mysterious shit that you can't explain happens all the time. Might as well use it in your story.
Angels? Yeah, I seen me some....
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Sun, April 12, 2009 - 12:25 PM<<Okay, yeah, ships weapons are an entirely different story. The only thing I can think of to justify them is that they store a lot of energy for quick release with low ejection requirements. In short you CAN create a lot of damage, and store it up, like a bullet, and not waste a lot of energy during the battle. By contrast, lasers either take a huge amount of time on target or a tremendous amount of energy to function.>>
Well, you can use a pulsed-power system with lasers too, storing energy in a capacitor system and releasing it all at once. That way you don't need a high output generator. But my point about plasma weapons is the plasma itself. Plasma by nature wants to dissipate as rapidly as possible - since it's high energy particles, similar to gas only more so - any weapon shooting plasma into space would be like trying to shoot down mosquitoes with puffs of cigarette smoke.
(Things like Pulsed Energy Projectiles aren't actually plasma weapons in the sense that B5 means it - shooting gobs of plasma. Rather, they're just pulsed lasers that on impacting create plasma. But many weapons can create plasma on impact, bombs included, so it's a bit of a misnomer.)
<<Also, I got to thinking last night. J'Kar was a follower of J"kwon. THey made a point of saying that J'Kwon wasn't the dominant prophet on their planet.>>
Hmm... I vaguely recollect that. OK, point for the Narn.
<<Besides Earth's diversity dwindles quickly when you talk to an American contingent (mostly white, christian, capitalist, etc). Also, Historically, Earth has had monolithic cultures: Egypt, Greece, Rome, and the mighty UK.>>
But Egypt, Greece, Rome were all on the same planet. It's believable that a single culture can establish itself in a single region, but for a whole planet - especially in a modern (or future) era where the numbers get into the billions - you'll quickly find multiple cultures. Rome particularly was a bit of a melting-pot, and throughout the Roman Empire many cultures existed (this was more strategically sound for the Empire rather than trying to force everyone to adopt the culture wholesale. And even though they did force some aspects of their culture, like tribute or the Romanized gods, their provinces retained local cultures. Egypt and Greece are examples actually.)
And with America, well, ya got all kinds of culture. Mostly capitalist - except for the anti-capitalists, the commies, socialists, libertarians, democrats and protectionists.... mostly white, except not.... It's a bit of a generalization. Sure, there are dominant religions, dominant beliefs, but if you were to see a television show in which every single American was a White, Christian, Capitalist (etc), you would and hsould decry that as a stereotype. Media actually do portray such stereotypes, but real life samples of the population are not so conveniently packaged.
However, I grant that a single culture can rise to dominance (like with Rome) and then you might not see a more representative sample in something like a space station (or a Roman Fort).
<<Finally, RDM was not only the primary writer for the show, he was the producer. Yes, he had the same freedoms. It's not like Heroes where they foist product placement re-writes on them. As long as he kept the ratings up, he could do as he pleased.>>
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Sun, April 12, 2009 - 1:15 PMI think, just in general, SF writers are mostly agnostic or atheist. Thus the concept of religion usually gets swept aside, or toyed with in ways designed to make you uncomfortable with it. When these writers do get into religion, it's usually poorly written from their own incomplete view of the ones they've been exposed to (like the Klingon religion, or anything in the Wheel of Time series). So instead of a bunch of plausible explanations for unanswerable questions ("where did we come from?", "why are we here?") and a series of "because I said so" mandates to help society function better, you get entirely implausible fairy tales that sound very pretty and sometimes relate to the race or help define it.
that's another big difference between the two. When B5 dealt with religion, they were thoroughly considered and integral to the society. BSG seemed to whip them out whenever they needed a little prose. Nobody seemed to take the old gods seriously (until it was convenient to have the sons of Ares). Again, it was too scary to delve into that world too much without losing the rabid, but agnostic, fan base of SF. It has to be done right, and they certainly weren't the writers to do it.
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Sun, April 12, 2009 - 4:21 PMFarscape was brought to life by the 1970s series Blakes Seven. -
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Sun, April 12, 2009 - 4:40 PMBattlestar was based on the 1970s series Battlestar Gallactica, TNG was based on Star trek and so on and so forth. What has made a television series successful has been the magic that happens between the characters. Every actor worth their salt creates a past, present and a hope for their characters future. The actors in a series create the relationship that shows in their eyes during camera close ups and that is what we relate to. The basic storyline hasn't really changed, but how we tell that story has evolved. Star Trek is the only exception to this rule where it has de-evolved. Where Roddenberry called it the wagon train to the stars, what it really was, was Captain Horneblower, 400 years on. Since the original series, it has changed from an adventure story to "the perfect society" to the "USS Politically Correct and Captain as faraway as she can get!" to the series to try and get that spark back and now, Bugger it let's have a punch up between Spock and baby Kirk.
Every story has a beginning, a middle and an end. I believe we need a new story and that's why I wrote Ascendance. And one day, someone might see it on one of the script sites and think that they might like to make it and then we'll all have another adventure to embark on. Until then we'll just continue to rehash old ideas. -
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:20 AMSomething else B5-ish here: The Cylon's "Colony" looks to me as if it were built by the Shadows of Z'ha'dum. (We're running with the Shadows of Z'ha'dum ... a race that's brought the galaxy much gloom ... ) -
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Re: The new Galactica reminds me of B5
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 3:48 PMAren't both styles sort of based on Geiger's art? Maybe
with a bit of the Brood thrown in?
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