What's an acceptable update?

topic posted Fri, May 15, 2009 - 5:16 PM by  Ever
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So everything that can be redone Is being redone.

I think JJ Abrams Star Trek was excellent. It was so bright and optimistic - a rare future indeed. Was it my ideal Trek movie? No - but I'm the first to admit my ideal Trek movie would be too esoteric to appeal to a wide audience.

The new Terminator movie is technically not a redo but it is a future we were trying to avoid - So much for "no fate but what you make." Starbuck will tell you that doesn't fly. When I think of the first movie - its really about a woman finding hidden resources of power she didn't know she had. Its also a love story. The guy traveled through time because he fell in love with a picture of her. Yes, its also about Skynet and terminators trying to eliminate humankind. This trailer - ahhh where to start. Its Terminator minus hope, love and female power. Dark and homoerotic. Well, that's how it looks from the trailer - but trailers are not feature length and I'm letting my dislike of Christian bale color my opinion.

What do you look for in an update? Darker, shinier, faster paced, moodier or a total homage to the original?
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  • Re: What's an acceptable update?

    Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:17 PM
    Well, everyone bashed the Trek trailer when it was shown. To a point for me which was nothing but pure irritation. Now that the movie is out, only the purists are holding on to their laurels and not moving on. Pfffft...nerds.

    Take BSG for instance. Holy crap did I bash it heavily (probably not on this board), but there was a time I was following Richarch Hatch and his view of how BSG should be. I was hoping the producers were going give his project the green light. So when it didn't, I was pissed and bashed this new vision of BSG. Well, I'll admit that no matter how you marinate it, or how much BBQ sauce you put on it...crow tastes really bad.

    Star Trek and even the new Terminator, won't go the way most die hard fans will want it to be. (Hell, i don't even know if this new Terminator is going to address what's going on in the Sarach Conner Chronicles - that'd be cool if it did). Once it's franchised and a sure money maker, you won't be getting a "Blade Runner" or "Dune". I think the days of huge budgets going into "cult" style sci-fi motion pictures is gone. TV might be the only hope. What's probably needed is for some director or producer to pick up on a new franchise that not too many people know about, then do their own thing. I've heard rumors of board games like"Warhammer" and "Battletech" being brought into consideration.

    I thought the new Trek (and BSG) were great homages to the originals. I didn't want a complete redo copy of the old Trek after learning my lesson with BSG. What I wanted was just some aknowledgements to all of the series. And I did see it. That's one of the main reasons why I'm very satisfied with it.

  • Re: What's an acceptable update?

    Fri, May 15, 2009 - 7:50 PM
    I have a friend who was the visual effects director for T3 (the truck chase was ALL her). She said that the point to actually having the war happen in the third movie was to allow them to get out of the confines of "today" and get into the stuff most T fans want: lots of big nasty machines and endless action. So this movie was in the planning stages as late as the release of T2. My bet is that Terminator fans will actually like it better than the other films.

    As for Sarah Connor, they didn't want to step on this movie which is why they slipped it in between T2 and T3. The whole point was to explain the time span between the two movies and how John got to be a loner badass.

    I liked the updates of Scooby Doo and Brady bunch, both for different reasons. I loved the first two Aadams family movies, but the disasters after that were pretty much repugnant. Technically, every Alien movie was a genre sift / update. The first was a tension shocker, the second and action thriller, the third a mystery, the fourth... I have no idea.

    I disagree that a Trek movie can't be bright and optimistic, that was the general idea of the original series. It was Ira Behr taht introduced the darker side of trek. Once DS9 ended we were done with him.
    • Re: What's an acceptable update?

      Fri, May 15, 2009 - 9:37 PM
      Personally, I thought DS9 was the better out of all the next gen series.

      But going back to Terminator, it was John who sent back Cameron to assist the younger John, and actually Cameron was with John in the future which leads me to believe that she has always been with him until he sends her back. So did John send her back and then became a loner? Anyway, I'm not going to speculate too much until I see the movie. Which, btw, I can't wait for!

      Along with Transformers and the new Tarantino flick.
      • Re: What's an acceptable update?

        Fri, May 15, 2009 - 10:21 PM
        Umm, each time they send some[thing/one] back, they eradicate their own timeline. John sent Reese back a year before the current judgement day. When he did, the timeline changed and that set of circumstances changed. it was only weak writing that brought Reese''s brother into the TV series.

        OOOh Stargate. The series took a lot of liberties with the principals set up in the movie. I hear the movie makers were quite upset with the series.
    • Re: What's an acceptable update?

      Fri, May 15, 2009 - 11:45 PM
      DS9 is may favorite trek incarnation. It had dark moments, but it also had the silly Grand Nagus, the kinky mirror universe, and cheesy super-spy holodec programs.

      Maybe I'm just annoyed that they assume the fans only want to see big machines being blown up - like everyone has the movie taste of a ten-year old boy. The other two trailers before Trek were for GI Joe and Transformers. It was overwhelming.
      • Re: What's an acceptable update?

        Sat, May 16, 2009 - 12:05 AM
        It also ripped off stargate and Bab 5. Plus, don't forget the 3-4 years of Bajoran politics. I agree that by sliding a little left of StarFleet and getting a little more into the universe, it had it's high spots, but when they left Roddenbery behind and started in with the Prophet crap, they completely lost their way.
        • Re: What's an acceptable update?

          Sat, May 16, 2009 - 1:43 AM
          But that's basically the premise of Terminator. Wiping out the timeline and changing the future.

          As for DS9, I think I enjoyed all the bells n whistles of the war within' the galaxy. From the Federation vs Cardassians, then the Federation against the Klingons, which led to Klingon vs. Klingon, and of course the Dominion war arc. I personally wanted more of it. The Prophet crap and Bajoran politics also kinda blew. Problem with that, was that was supposed to be Roddenbery's vision, it's just that the producers just didn't know where to go with that.

          I'm looking forward to Caprica and I'm tempted to buy the vid this weekend since I can no longer wait for the premiere. I'm in need of decent TV watching.
          • Re: What's an acceptable update?

            Sat, May 16, 2009 - 11:43 AM
            See, Caprica, like Enterprise (and the new SW trilogy for that matter) scare me, all prequels do. I've only ever seen one done right and it must have been forgettable because I can't remember anything other than it was the first one done right. Prequel series are even more of a problem. With all the history dabbled on the wall of later episodes, you have to dance inside those expectations, not duplicate anything from the later series (ferengi, *cough*), and still provide the durable plots, and bigger tech (cgi, not phasers) in play. After a while it's like listening to Rich Little impersonate Walter Cronkite talking about Joe Namoth fighting in the civil war to win back the right to paint the Japs while they serve their Ethiopian overlords. It just stops making any kind of sense. And with the lack of quality writing in BSG, I fear Caprica will bury what few die-hard fans are left.

            Gene may of come up with a prophet figure, but he never had anything to do with DS9, he died 2 years before it aired, so it's unlikely that he had even as much to do with DS9 as he did with Earth: Final Conflict. He certainly would not have included the special "prophet powers" that we saw in the last couple of years.
  • Re: What's an acceptable update?

    Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:26 AM
    I'm not against re-makes / reboots. There has to be a story that hooks me, if the filmmakers are just using established situations to make an action flick (like the ST trailers made it look) then I'm not interested. BSG took the basics of the 1970's program and re-worked the details, sometime to my irritation, but in the end the story won out and it was a good series.
  • Re: What's an acceptable update?

    Sat, May 16, 2009 - 11:31 AM

    I've seen the trailers for Land of the Lost and thus far, I am highly disappointed. I was really, really hoping that they would do the film seriously instead we get Will Farrel in yet another comedy. ugh!!

    I admit I LOVED Land of the Lost as a kid, it was ingrained in my psyche along with Journey to the Center of the Earth, Doc Savage, and John Carter of Mars. I've just always thought a serious remake would be nice ah well..

    Now a movie I seriously want to see re-done is "When Worlds Collide"!!!! Start the movie off at the end of Book A and move directly into Book B when the survivors of earth land on the second planet that takes over earths orbit. Great action, conflict etc. etc. WOOT the special effects could be awesome!

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