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Starbuck....

2009-12-23T04:09:04Z

Okay...random...running thought.

Since Starbuck isn't really Starbuck at the end; she is an "Angel" or whatever, do you think that diminishes her actual death? As a fan of various TV shows over the years, I have always wanted those characters that I know and love to, when they do die, go out with purpose. Or at least in a way that drives the show further. When Kutner dies in House, it was not how I would have done it, but you cannot deny that that death, shaped the rest of the season, and will continue to play a big part in this upcoming season.

I have always loved Starbuck as a character and was excited when they brought her back. She developed further and morphed into something, fascinating. However, if we look back to her original death, when she was kind of going nuts (or was really going nuts) and essentially killed herself because she was seeing Leobin, but now has no retribution because she never truly returned....

I don't really know what question should follow that statement, but it just sort of started running in my head. What are your thoughts?

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Borglons

2009-11-20T01:02:38Z

Okay, so I'm watching the ST:TNG episode where Lore and Data take control of a segment of the Borg population that had been corrupted by the borg named Hugh.

So, a revolution of hideous, partially human, monstrosities lead by two completely human looking androids. Identical twins if you would....

The teleplay was written by Ron D Moore.

-All this has [been written] before, and will [be written] again.....

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Centurians with the Gift of Reason

2009-11-17T01:15:41Z

Yes...I have made it this far already...no...I have no life...yes, I am avoiding my coursework.

I thought that this was a potentially VERY exciting development. They could have taken this story arc to new levels, dealing with the definition of life, consciousness and reality. I understand that they could only do so much with the length of time they had left, but this is one of those things that I would love to have seen it develop.

They did begin to take this places; recall the scene with Baltar speaking with the Centurian? "They have told you about God, haven't they?"

Oh well...

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R&D TV Logos

2009-11-16T20:18:16Z

Which was your fav?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ods84mBMY6A

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"All of this has happened before....

2009-11-16T06:23:33Z

...but it doesn't have to happen again." Lee Adama

Only he's wrong...it does have to happen again...the obligatory "What's your favourite quote/line from the series?" thread always comes back.

So, what's yours? Aside from using "Frak" on a daily basis, what other little snippets from this show have you clung to? Include the episode if you know it.

For me, I have two, both goodies from Starbuck...

"Right now I just want to hurt someone, and it might as well be you." Collaborators

Cain: "do you drink?"
Starbuck: "Only to excess sir."
Pegasus part 2...whatever it was called.

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BSG: The Plan

2009-11-14T03:55:57Z

So, I just purchased and watched it this evening. Anyone else?

Thoughts, comments, insights?

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The beacon in Season 3 that killed the cylons

2009-10-30T22:28:50Z

If the beacon was left by the 13th tribe as a signpost to Earth, but it was lethal to cylons...and they were cylons...why did they leave it?

Or is it simply that it did not originally have the virus on it? It supposedly got on there by accident right? One of them sneezed or something. But...cylons do not sneeze....

....or....huh?

That all being said (muttered?) I still like this episode.

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Starting from Square One

2009-10-26T02:46:39Z

So, I have started over...watched the Mini-Series and am now into Season 2.0.

I had forgotten how much I loved the mini-series. I had not seen it, until after season 3.0. I purchased the Season 1 dvd and finally got to see it, along with most of season 1 for the first time. The writing and general story is just amazing. I also love season 2.0. Of course there are episodes that just do not stack up in my mind, but that is how any television show ends up. Even my truly beloved X-Files has episodes I don't mind skipping through.

I am watching the episode 'Resistance' right now. I love the irony of Tigh beating the Chief, accusing him of being a cylon. Knowing what we know now, that just makes this episode so much more entertaining.

One of the things that strikes me is the difference between the music between the first season and seasons 2-4.5. Bear truly enhanced the show with his compositions. I wish he had featured particular instruments more often (bassoon for one....I love the bassoon) but overall I truly have enjoyed the shift.

...and more cowbell...I always need more cowbell.

So...what are your favourite moments form the early days? Or later on? What is your take on the music?

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Possible Saving Grace

2009-10-26T02:01:14Z

A thought occurred to me as a possible way the series might be saved:

Consider these facts (as they exist within RDM's BG history):

The Twelve Colonies developed over a considerable length of time. Within that time-frame, FTL drives were developed for both commercial and military use. By the time of the first Cylon War (and probably well before it) humanity had to have launched many exploratory missions--because the Galactica had charts clear out to the Prolmar sector and beyond. From reviewing dialogue from the first episode and later, it's fairly clear that although the Colonials didn't leave the Colonies much, they certainly weren't limited to it.

If all of that is true, then it is certainly possible that there were years, possibly decades worth of exploratory teams traveling outward from the Colonial system: commercial outfits, espionage units exploring the Cylon borders, political dissidents, etc.

If that is the case, it's unlikely that they would be of the same cowardly bend as Adama and his "back to nature" group. They might well have a starfaring culture of their own.

This might be a way to pull RDM's fat out of a well-deserved fire!

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Caprica

2009-09-29T05:05:57Z

I posted my thoughts of the new Caprica pilot, which I watched last night, in the caprica tribe:

http://tribes.tribe.net/caprica/thread/3d72dfa2-7c97-404a-8bd8-fbcfc33e292c?newpostingid=a746ad22-6560-49e0-a122-c88da5fb3980#a746ad22-6560-49e0-a122-c88da5fb3980

In short, two very enthusiastic thumbs up.

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The Helios system

2009-09-28T19:51:38Z

It's where the Twelve Colonies of Kobol is located -- at least according to one fan:
http://sixu.deviantart.com/art/Helios-System-BSG-138122619

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Don't care much about history

2009-09-01T04:46:10Z

It seems that in general, the suvivors of the Twelve Colonies don't care much for history. If they did, then they'd go out of their way to make sure that evidence of their existence remains. Imagine that if the events of BSG really did happen, there would be no evidence that any of it happened since they destroyed all their ships and other technology. Sure, maybe there's nothing wrong with erasing evidence that you existed if that's what you want. But some of us believe it would be better to preserve as much evidence of our existence as possible.

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Link: Battlestar's "Daybreak:" The worst ending in the history of on-screen science fiction

2009-09-01T02:26:22Z

A good critical essay that says much of what I have had to say of how BSG went wrong, but also a great deal I over looked:

http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/battlestars-daybreak-worst-ending-history-screen-science-fiction

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So now what? How about V???

2009-08-30T02:39:27Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZLiNa4KzsY

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BattleStar Galactica Film rumor confirmed

2009-08-25T00:35:31Z

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Bryan Singer to direct and produce 'Battlestar Galactica' movie
by Nicole Sperling
Categories: Film, News, Uncategorized
Battlestar Galactica is getting the big-screen treatment. Universal Pictures has confirmed blog speculation that Bryan Singer, director of Valkyrie, will take on directing and producing duties for a BSG movie. Glen Larson, who created original series back in 1978, will produce as well. The film is not expected to be a continuation of current popular television show that’s running on the SyFy network but will be a complete re-imagining of the sci-fi lore that was invented by Larson back in the 70s.

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Virtuosity

2009-06-30T00:33:07Z

I thought this was going to be a friday night movie, but I guess, it's a new Fox show, written and produced by RDM....

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JJ Abrams's STAR TREK

2009-06-20T20:07:19Z

.... Any thoughts?

(me, I really liked it)

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BSG: The Plan

2009-06-08T18:01:07Z

So watching bad SciFi this weekend they had a short advertisement for something called BSG: The Plan anyone hear of this or know what it's about??

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Caprica review

2009-05-22T08:05:57Z

The review below is not really that spoiler-heavy, and contains little that hasn't been seen widely in reviews. I just wanted to mention this, in case you want to know absolutely nothing before seeing it. You may want to join the new Caprica tribe...

So, I and a couple of friends watched it today, the unrated version on DVD.

I have to say, I was quite impressed! It was co-written by Ron Moore, and feels very much of the same universe as BSG. It's much more "sci fi" than I was expecting; I assumed it would be drama with just hints of sci fi, but it really delves into Caprican technology deeply, which is in fact the basis for the whole show.

It is definitely another dark, disturbing, grown-up drama that's definitely not for kids.

This unrated version will not be shown on TV, but it starts right off with some very adult situations - nudity, group sex, outrageous violence, all in a virtual world, where teens go to imagine anything they want, with no rules, no boundaries.

We see the beginnings of the events that will culminate in those leading to BSG.

The show starts with the words: "Caprica - 58 years before the fall," a rather chilling reminder of what's to come.

The show concerns the lives of two men, Daniel Graystone, a scientist, and Joseph Adams, a lawyer. Joseph is an off-worlder, who has changed his name to fit in better. His real last name... Adama, of course! He has an 11-year-old son, Willie Adams (we'll know him better as William Adama). It addresses many hot-button topics: racism, religious conflict, terrorism, teenage sexuality and rebellion, the ethics of artificial intelligence, etc.

Both men lose their daughters in a terrorist attack, and are drawn together by Graystone's shocking discovery of how much of a genius his daughter was. This has huge implications for the story.

Graystone is working on creating a robot soldier, which he calls a Cybernetic Life-form Node, or (you guessed it) a "Cylon" for short. His Cylons are clumsy and slow. They need a better "brain" and he discovers that a rival company has perfected one. He sets out to acquire it, in order to hold on to a lucrative Caprican government contract to build the artificial army. But his daughter's death adds an unexpected twist to this quest, and this event begins to re-define what "alive" and "artificial" really mean. What happens next sets the stage for everything that follows. These early Cylons are just as creepy as their later counterparts!

I was very happy with this as a series premier, and I eagerly look forward to how it develops. Sci Fi has picked it up for 20 episodes, so I hope it attracts a strong following. No, there are no flashy space battles, but this is a very different kind of science fiction: dark, grown-up, realistic, with a strong emphasis on characterization, and some fine acting... not unlike a certain other show we've been discussing here.

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What's an acceptable update?

2009-05-17T23:50:49Z

So everything that can be redone Is being redone.

I think JJ Abrams Star Trek was excellent. It was so bright and optimistic - a rare future indeed. Was it my ideal Trek movie? No - but I'm the first to admit my ideal Trek movie would be too esoteric to appeal to a wide audience.

The new Terminator movie is technically not a redo but it is a future we were trying to avoid - So much for "no fate but what you make." Starbuck will tell you that doesn't fly. When I think of the first movie - its really about a woman finding hidden resources of power she didn't know she had. Its also a love story. The guy traveled through time because he fell in love with a picture of her. Yes, its also about Skynet and terminators trying to eliminate humankind. This trailer - ahhh where to start. Its Terminator minus hope, love and female power. Dark and homoerotic. Well, that's how it looks from the trailer - but trailers are not feature length and I'm letting my dislike of Christian bale color my opinion.

What do you look for in an update? Darker, shinier, faster paced, moodier or a total homage to the original?

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The new Galactica reminds me of B5

2009-05-16T22:48:14Z

I hadn't noticed this at first, but it seems to me that the Galactica as presented in the new series looks like it could've been a Babylon 5 spaceship. It's as if the Earth Alliance and the Narn Regime combined their efforts to create one mega-powerful warship! Not only that, there's also that shaky-camera-zoom-in effect which they also did on B5. Now I'm not saying the new Galactica is a B5 rip-off. It's just that I've noticed certain similarities between the two shows.

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So, Now What....

2009-04-26T01:40:04Z

Seeing how it's OVER, for better and for worse, despite a spinoff series and a movie on the way...

... I wonder what we are all doing now to exorcise the SciFi gremlins in our heads.

Me, I'm reviewing Eureka and Farscape (dweeb, I know).

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BSG cameos on CSI

2009-04-20T00:43:12Z

Tonight's episode of CSI (Vegas) was a send-up of Star Trek, focusing on a convention of fans for a classic sci-fi show called "Astro Quest", filled with the usual geeks in costumes, etc.

There is also a nice little nod to the new BSG. The premise was that a maverick producer wanted to do a re-imagining of the show in a much darker and grittier way, which angered fans of the classic series.

Sound familiar? :-D

After this producer aired his footage to fans, he was greeted by angry responses from the audience. Grace Park and Ron Moore were in the audience, and Moore shouts, "you suck!" LOL

Later, said producer ends up murdered, and the suspicion is that an angry fan killed him, so that he couldn't desecrate the classic version of the show.

Kate Vernon (Eleen Tigh) also has a role as a media studies professor.

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Caprica Tribe...

2009-04-14T06:42:09Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/caprica

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How do you think it should have ended...?

2009-04-13T05:32:17Z

I've been reading some interesting posts on some thoughts on how BSG ended, but they seemed to be buried in other topics.

I would have like to have seen the colonists split up. Some being the "hippies" and living off the earth, while the others exploring the rest of the galaxy and colonizing the other planets.

Here's what I mentioned in another thread:

"Anyway, in my own world of BSG lore that combined the original series with this one (damn how I love hearing that old theme), I've always felt that when the colony finally came to Earth, an explantion of the ancient Pyramids, Greek Mythology, Stonehenge and all those damn mysteries of "how did those came to be" would have been hinted on. I would have loved to have seen them hide their technology on Mars rather than destroying it, and then build even larger pyramids as hangers for them. And then carve a huge face on one of the mountains "looking" at Earth to remind future generations of where they came from (hence and explanation of the face on Mars). I know, that sounds cheesy and maybe too "comic booky". But hey, they did the whole thing with the robots in the end, so why not!"

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The DaVinci pic

2009-04-10T01:03:51Z

So....does it fit the final season?

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BSG cast & crew speak at UN, piss off the Sagittarons

2009-04-07T22:16:56Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSFDrOxWCXY

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Obama Depressed, Distant Since 'Battlestar Galactica' Series Finale

2009-04-05T07:26:43Z

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_depressed_distant_since?utm_source=onion_rss_daily

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Robot Chicken, BSG and Star Trek

2009-04-01T21:34:44Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4x-FMGbbGU

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What a Disappointment!

2009-04-01T14:25:34Z

SPOILER WARNING: If you've not seen the series finale, read no further.

Well, I have to admit that I'm disappointed. The much-vaunted finale to this explosive, dramatic series left me with a bad taste in my mouth. After so many light-years, so many battles, and so much anticipation over the fusion of the human and Cylon races I had hoped to see a true joint civilization created. Instead, RDM opted to maroon everyone in a Stone Age culture, and pretend that everybody was happy about it.

Bull! Nobody would go along with that, even today. The quality of life in a pre-agrarian society is nightmarish: diseases run rampant, superstitions replace hard science, infant mortality rates are sky-high, living at the mercy of the elements, and getting enough to eat means constant peril. Nobody would be that naive!

Then there's the fact that the fleet had the makings of an advanced society at their disposal. The Forge Ship could have landed and produced quality tools (including steel plows). The raptors could have traversed the planet and brought back quality grains and seedlings for orchards and grain fields in little time at all. Even the crippled Galactica could have been stripped of its plates and girders for the first buildings until local supplies of iron and copper had been located. With proper planning and phased development they could have reinvented a spacefaring society inside of 2-3 generations.

I'm sorry, but the whole "Let's go back to nature and start over," is a crock! This ending was even less satisfying than the Sopranos.

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Tonights the Night...

2009-03-29T17:42:53Z

...and I am fraking excited! Even though we all have our personal gripes with the show (soap opera in space, etc) that doesn't diminish the fact that, after tonight, BSG as we now know it will only exist in DVD and rerun form. I will surely miss it and I am really excited to get all the final reveals. I imagine that this is going to be two hours of pure craziness and awesome action.

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Any Questions?

2009-03-29T17:40:26Z

So, There's a sci-fi con in April. The Improvatons perform at it (which includes me - so I will be there) and Katee Sackoff is a media guest. In the open question forum, what should I ask?

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I am still into it

2009-03-26T05:30:24Z

Despite all the twists and turns, the rabbit trails that lead nowhere, soap opera plots, etc etc.... I am still looking forward to what happens next. Hopefully they will go out in a blaze of glory ;-)

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A million light-years?!?!?

2009-03-25T11:35:53Z

According to current estimates, the galaxy is no more than 100,000 light-years across. A distance 1 million light-years from Earth would lead to empty intergalactic space. So Adama (or more specifically the writer) of that episode was wrong in saying the fleet traveled a million light-years through space. Even so, I do have to give BSG credit for getting most of their astronomical information correct.

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Dee was right...

2009-03-23T20:04:49Z

There's no God, no narrative, no destiny, and things just might not ever be any better than they are right now. The only God or narrative that exists is the one we uncomfortably wedge into our brains to wrangle order from chaos. A human invention. I was uncomfortable with the show when it seemed a series of events without purpose.

Now that it wrapped everything up for me in a bow, I'm "happy." I guess; but isn't humanity clinging to that view of the universe just an overlay that prevents us from seeing things apart from their place an invented narrative? I'm more comfortable with it, but I'm not certain I like being comfortable with it.

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Plotinus - Infinity must be circular

2009-03-21T09:35:14Z

Seen this before - for infinity to really exist all life and experiencies must be circular. The circles intersect at key points and some repeat and some go on to form other circles. The other circles have new experiences but some go into a 'master circle' that has the experience from a all previous circles formed. This master circle can create other circles that end up combining with previous circles but it's core energy continues on it's own path - and that path has not even begun to form any repetativeness.

The Greek philosopher Plotinus suggested this formation, if only in a novice way. Circles within circles, with a master circle forming on the outside that generates circles but never deviates from it's formation. The cylons, with memory storage, continue on the master circle and humans are the elements of the offshoot circles.........yeah....let me toke a little more and i might have coordinates......

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HOME STRETCH - Predictions::::

2009-03-20T03:23:06Z

I'm confused.

A) Why bring back Ellen if she's just gonna go away again?
B) Why make Caprica 6 pregnant if she's just gonna lose the kid?
C) Why give Gaius & his sexgroupies guns when there're plenty of marines?

It makes me want to cry.

I'm hoping for a very BIG BANG for the last few eps.
If *I* was the writer I would make it go like this... what do you think?

Predictions:
1- Gaius dies a horrible violent death. That's why he now gets guns. Evil-eyed Paula is his Judas.
2- Caprica goes nutty and off either Ellen or Tigh or herself or any combo of the above.
3- Tyrol & Boomer do NOT get back together (bummmmmmoooo)
4- Cavil & the Bad Cylons return for a two-episode cliffhanger final epic battle.
5- Adama dies in the final episode, probably going down with the ship.

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Caprica - Episode 0

2009-03-19T08:07:20Z

Okay, so this week's episode was more Caprica than it was Galactica. They left us in a cliffhanger holding our breath for the last two hour episode. But the rest of the episode kinda looked like it was the beginning of the new series (yay...).

I give caprica 4 episodes before it tanks... anyone else?

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Champagne?!!!

2009-03-18T00:16:10Z

What the frak?!

Champagne is named after the champagne region of France ... on EARTH! Roslin and her sisters should have been drinking AMBROSIA! This is the the kind of missed little detail that pisses me off. Next thing we know someone will be drinking a Manhattan at a bar, or eating a Philly Cheesesteak!!!

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Cylon Drinking Games

2009-03-17T20:49:43Z

I suppose they could also be Colonial drinking games!

I'd like to make up a drinking game to play at the final viewing of the show (the upcoming 2-hour episode). Help me with some rules! I've got some ideas of my own, such as....

1) Take a shot everytime Tigh barks out something abusive.
2) Take a shot everytime Caprica Six looks all turmoiled.
3) Take a shot everytime ADAMA takes a shot (pills not included).
4) Run once around the table whenever we see Baltar enveloped in a circle of hot chix.
5) Take off an article of clothing each time Kara gets a screenshot wearing less than full uniform.
5) Jelloshots all around the table if Anders begins to babble.

ANy ideas?

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Mea Culpa

2009-03-17T01:42:18Z

Okay, so I was just re-watching the latest run of episodes, and S4E11 had a moment that I apparently missed completely the first time.

Earth was ENTIRELY populated with Cylons?!?

Sooooo..... the hulons of Earth created Centurions that rose up and destroyed them? Is that right? But the Centurions of the new generation wouldn't attack them? WTF?

And, wait, no mention of Cylons in the exodus from Kobol? This does tighten up the Tomb of Athena, but I have a new nagging feeling. I think that the fleet is 100% Cylon. There are no more Humans. Earth was populated by Cylons who didn't want to fool themselves into believing they were human.

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Sci-Fi online episodes

2009-03-14T14:29:55Z

When do the episodes show up on the website?

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Introducing the CYLON DETECTOR For Your iPhone.

2009-03-12T17:56:29Z

http://gear.ign.com/articles/952/952756p1.html

Just in time to have nobody really give a sh*t...

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Cylon Generations

2009-03-10T16:12:12Z

So here's how my theory goes...

We now know that the New 7 (now 8 with Daniel) mass-produced models were created by the Final 5. That makes the New8 the most recent Cylon generation, and the Final5 the previous generation. So who created the Final5's generation of Cylons?

Starbuck's generation did.

Yep, I said it. Starbuck is actually a Cylon, but NOT from the same generation as the Final5 nor the New8. She's the only one (or one of a very few) left over from a previous generations of Cylons who helped create the Final5 generation. She may in fact actually be from the original Cylon generation, who created the next, who created the next, etc., until somewhere down the line the Final5 generation was created, and then the New8.

It explains Starbuck's miraculous resurrection nicely. Her generation has their own Resurrection Hub out there somewhere that has been around far longer than any of the other Cylon technology. It probably encompasses the entire galaxy by now and can reproduce her ship, clothing, etc. as well as a new body.

Remember, all of this has happened before...

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Someone to Watch Over Me

2009-03-04T23:49:33Z

Well Frak Me Running...Awesome, awesome awesome...I went back a few times and rewatched the part where Kara was playing the piano and it went into a snipped of 'All Along the Watchtower' like five times!

Poor Chief...when will you ever learn. I was hoping that I was wrong. I can only imagine how Athena must feel after seeing Boomer and Helo going at it. When did Boomer become such a manipulative little bitch? Was she always this way? Is Athena the only exception to the 8 rule?

General consensus in another Battlestar Chat is that the Piano Man is Daniel and is also Kara's father. My thinking, while watching it, was that Kara's father was Anders (just a lot older or perhaps in a different body somehow?) and/or that Kara is Daniel.

So...Hera still looks as if she is the Shape of Things to Come. Everyone is still fighting over her, and the president apparently still has that psychic link with her. I wonder if Six was effected like Rosilyn was.

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No Exit

2009-02-28T02:23:48Z

I love that the Doc is the biggest smoker aboard.
And that the brain surgeon doc is such a geek. };-D
Boomer saves Ellen though she sides with Cavil
That we learn Cavil's name is "John" and he hates it. };-D
When Tigh says "you go back far enough and some germ gets blamed for splitting in two", used as an analogy to the reason why they should share the blame in the destruction of Earth.
Special Effects.. Liked the close-up of the toaster's hand that reaches for Ellen, and the cells, blood, and grid overlay of her resurrection just before that first breath.

Did see a spot in there where I'd have to say someone dropped the ball on Sci Fi dialogue though:
When Adama is talking about the beams being poorly built with the Chief, and they have to fix them, he says, "If they fail they the hull will slam shut like a book." I'd say all of us can see the inherent problem with that dialogue... They aren't in a submarine.. They're in space!

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Feb 20th episode

2009-02-24T15:08:55Z

Not the best of episodes, after five (in my opinion ) winners this season. It felt like about 15 minutes of plot stretched out to fill the whole hour. The last quarter hour or so was very good, however.

Interesting that Anders seemed to come back "online" after baby Liam died... I wonder if when one of the five dies, they can be reborn, literally... it was noted last week that as Anders' brain activity all but stopped, 6's baby seemed to "come alive." Then when the baby died, Anders wakes up. Hmmmm...

The integration of Cylon and human has begun, despite opposition on both sides.

Baltar and co. seem to be setting up to stop a revolution.

Not sure why Tyrol was so eager to leave, after agreeing to be the Chief again.

Next week looks good, though, as perhaps we learn Starbuck's nature at last?

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THE FINAL CYLON (spoiler alert)

2009-02-23T05:03:27Z

So, for those who've not watched up to Episode 4.12, read no further or risk spoilage.

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So now that we know who the Final Cylon is, how do you think this is going to play out?

I'm VERY CONFUSED about how a whole race of Earth Humans can actually BE Cylons, and how 5 of them could die in a global catastrophe and be resurrected but not the other 6.5 BILLION. And how the whole concept of Cylons bearing Cylon children can be n issue when there was a whole PLANET to prove it can be done (and done so easily it's done accidentally quite a lot).

So, Ellen struts in with her Mojo on, and explains the whole thing, or at least confuses us to the point of mental breakdown.

How is this gonna happen? Anyone wanna take a stab at predicting the story to come?

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Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do

2009-02-20T00:31:43Z

Okay, despite, or because of, the reveal episode, I have more questions.

Still don't know what happened with Kara. Is she Daniel?

Why is it that Ty looked younger on earth than he did in the flashbacks with Bill in Season 2 episode 1?

If Adama was willing to get the jump drive retro-fit (or they'd leave galactica behind), why balk at the repair goo?

It seems they've avoided the "Pretay Nama" issue with Hera. She's just the indicator that the base 8 can now replicate. Or is she? What about all the dreams and prophesy?

Roz made it to Earth, is Pythia wrong?

Okay, so assuming 90% light speed, best distance is 1800 light years from earth to caprica. That means kobol to earth, and back took about the same time: 4000 years. That checks. Still, if Earth had light speed, why didn't anyone [else] use it to escape?

That's a good start.

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I just noticed there only 10 episodes in this final season.

2009-02-16T19:33:26Z

Question...Why aren't we getting a full season of 18-20 episodes....
Boo hoo!

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Blood on the Scales - Feb 6th episode

2009-02-14T22:43:47Z

Airing Friday evening - starting this thread to prevent the dreaded "Frack Me IV" thread title. I assume we'll have something to say about the episode.

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Cylon Models

2009-02-14T21:36:07Z

1 - Cavil
2 - Leoban
3 - D'anna
4 - Simon
5 - Doral
6 - Six
7 - Anders (we don't really know the final 5 numbers)
8 - Boomer/Athena
9 - Tory
10 - Chief Tyral
11 - Saul
12 - Ellen

Thought? Patterns? If you're divisible by three, hook up with Gaius?

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Colonial citizenship

2009-02-12T19:12:53Z

So did the rebel Cylons receive Colonial citizenship? I don't remember any official mention of that.

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Neck injury

2009-02-12T18:58:06Z

I remember that during the hiatus Michael Trucco suffered a horrible car accident when a friend flipped his Ferrari . He fractured four vertabra and initially lost feeling in his arms.

Going out on a short limb ---- he has a bad scar on his neck from the surgeries. Yes, his recovery is amazing, but does anyone think this injury is too explain the scar (or so they no longer have to hide it.) Considering he nearly died from a neck injury it would be heartless to kill Anders from a neck injury, so I doubt that will happen.

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Kara

2009-02-11T04:19:42Z

Is it possible that Kara Thrace is the first pure Cylon offspring, i.e., the daughter of Saul and Ellen?

Consider: Kara has always had a contentious relationship with the Executive Officer: pushing his buttons, challenging his leadership, daring him to throw the first punch. I thought at first this was just a facet of her rebellious nature, but I find myself wondering if this isn't just a dodge to hid the truth, that of a contentious father-daughter relationship.

For his part, Saul Tigh has always treated Kara with a gruff respect, tinged with acrimony. She knows too many of his secrets (though, of course, not all of them), just like many a child does about their parents. Though he despises her standoffishness, he knows her to be one of his best officers, and certainly the top fighter pilot. During her recuperation he tried to be kind to her, only to have her spit on his kindness, chastise his attempts at reverse-psychology, and finally realized that she would accept nothing but the unvarnished truth. This was the lesson that her sergeant mother bred into her; or was it the encoding passed down from Ellen Tigh?

Starbuck does bear a slight resemblance Ellen Tigh, and is possessed of her sharp insight. Like Ellen, Kara knows how to manipulate people, when to press and when cajole. Her chief fault is that she presses issues too much, and tends to self-destruct when amorous intentions become too intense. Natural inability, or was this something which she inherited from Saul Tigh?

If Starbuck is indeed the first proof of Cylon ability to reproduce (Saul and Six's daughter being the second) then this alone would be reason enough to spirit her away for fosterage among the humans. If other Cylons such as Cavil found out, they would stop at nothing to dissect the child and find out what combination of factors led to the fetus being carried to full term! Hence, Kara grows up under the strict regimen of a professional soldier, one who was undoubtedly chosen for safety, and the assurance of a proper military upbringing. Kara will undoubtedly call her birth-parents to task for such a choice, but what's done is done.

Also, unless I was hallucinating, there was a brief instance during the New Caprica detention when the camera focused on Ellen Tigh, and the camera blurred, and then refocues, and the picture was that of Starbuck. Bad footage, or a deliberate hint?

Thus, Kara's place in the "Last Supper" photo is true after all: she is not a Cylon per se, in that she was not engineered. She is the first true "human" Cylon.

It also explains her broken Viper on Earth. Yes, she died, but was reborn thanks to the gracious intercession of her mother!

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Series Closure Connected to Classic Series?

2009-02-10T21:51:32Z

Is it possible that the destruction of Earth is somehow tied to the classic Battlestar Galactica series? Could Earth have been destroyed 2,000 years ago when the 1980 Galactica crew discovered it and a final Cylon war ensued thereafter? When the damaged head of a classic Cylon toaster was discovered by the landing party I began to wonder. Maybe Richard Hatch's Vice President character has some link to the classic series? Maybe the remains of the crashed Viper was piloted by Dirk Benedict's Starbuck and somehow Kara is connected to him? That's why to the Final Five events appear to be repeating themselves.

From a TV business stand point I don't this is possible. Contractual issues and creative differences with the classic creators lead me to think otherwise.

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Battlestar Glactica: The Plan

2009-02-09T21:12:27Z

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286130/ Anyone have more scoops on this?

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An Excruciating Last Season

2009-02-09T18:29:54Z

Watching BSG so far this season has been painful. Not because the episodes are bad... but because they are sooooo good.

It hurts waiting a week to see what happens next.

I am considering not watching at all until the season is over and dowloading all of the episodes from iTunes or something. Then I can gorge myself with a marathon and collapse in orgasmic relief at the end.

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Frak Me!

2009-02-09T18:22:43Z

Didn't see that one coming!

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My Geekyness is Confirmed…

2009-02-09T08:21:08Z

Ok, tonight’s episode “Final Cut” was damn good but there was one part that really made me realize just what a geek I really am.

***SPOILER***

At the end when they were all reviewing the news video I couldn’t help but get excited as I realized what the theme music to the piece was….

Now THAT was geeky! LOL

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One word you can say on Television

2009-02-08T23:52:15Z

With this latest episode "Blood on the Scales", and the recent passing of George Carlin, it has become more and more evident the arbitrary nature of TV censorship. At the top of the list of the 7 words you can't say on television is a quick four letter word which becomes a negative expletive ONLY as an angry outburst. Otherwise, it's just another word for reproduction. Yet they would bleep it out under any usage.
So, my question,, how many times and under what conditions can the word "Frak" be used?
It would seem infinite after this episode..
Has anyone done a count to compare between episodes? No doubt, this last one had to tip the scales.
Just seems ridiculous that the censors would bleep out every time the real F word is used, and BSG only slightly changes the word, and yet is used in an obvious parallel with as much conviction and force as the actor can muster.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for the inconsistency since I appreciate the allowance of the analog in making the show that much more realistic.

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Frak Me Pt. III

2009-02-06T00:55:44Z

Now the webisodes totally make sense in the grand scheme of things.

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The best government is a benevolent tyranny tempered by an occasional assassination.

2009-02-04T08:54:21Z

Well, I have to say... a part of me (a small part) was with Gaeda/Zereck in regards to the whole alliance. The 6's played the biggest role in the initial attack on the colonies and have yet to show any kind of real remorse for what was accomplished. Now she, her christ child and the other rebel cylon are totally protected while many humans have been tossed out the airlock for collaboration, died for the cause, etc... If I was in the fleet (oh how I have dreamed) I would have had to side against the human/cylon alliance and would have been totally against the upgrades to the jump drive. I think the voice of reason through the whole thing is Lee and I hope that he can talk some sense into his father once this thing plays out (if he is still alive). Apollo you are my hero (even though Jamie Bamber doesnt seem as cool in real life)

So the question is... Who would you been able to stand behind during a coup de ta as such? Gaeda sucks ass and is a fairly weak individual as it is and I would rather have seen someone else take over CIC... There is absolutely no way he could sustain power....Too bad Helo is married to a frackin cylon.. At least he has some fracking leadership potential... Sorry to say it, but Adama and the Roslin administration have stepped too far over the line far too frequently! Too bad Cpt. Kendra Shaw is gone...she was soo cute with her accent and would have been MUCH more convincing than Gaeda as the leader of a revolution....

Sorry for the long posting, but have been trolling way too long...figure I speak now or forever hold my peace

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Geata's Got A Gun...POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

2009-02-01T23:31:19Z

So Geata has proven he can mount a mutiny. He may even be able to take over the ship.

But is he really Admiral/Commander material?

I think not. Besides in bitter angsty guilty conscience and the willingness to lead a bunch of scared angry mutineers there's not a lot of meat to his command. He could even get offed by one of his own 'loyal' marines if they manage to pull this off. There's not much backing him up as a respected leader. A battlestar is a big ship with lots of people. There will be plenty of post-mutiny chaos. Somebody will challenge him. Plus I think Zarek's crafty ass will be yanking his chain around in no time.

Excuse my french, but....

Geata is a frakking b*tch!!!

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Frack me pt. II

2009-01-29T04:27:48Z

I'm thinking Gaeta is gonna die by the end of the series by a gun loyal to Adama and the Alliance...and yeah, Adama finally got some action.

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the be da be da be da be robot with the computer medallion

2009-01-27T02:49:13Z

yes, i notice the nifty head piece on that model. and no, our robots are more important than machines. the fuzzy bear robot can stay at the blast off point. but my point is, are humans so enamoured of this robot, that they might remind me of that thing?

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Just noticed this on Friday's...

2009-01-23T02:52:04Z

mini-marathon. The number on the door for the cargo hold where the 4 gather to talk is 1701D. Minor homage to Star Trek? Just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia.

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How much does Gaius really know?

2009-01-23T00:24:13Z

Does anyone remember during season one, when Gauis built the cylon detector, and then Adama made him test EVERYONE, especially Helen? And then Head Six asked Gaius, after the tests, something along the lines of "what are you going to tell them?" And he said something along the lines of "nothing."

It's been awhile so it's a bit fuzzy...

I'm wondering if there are more than 12 models....and if Starbuck is Tigh and Helen's love-child....or maybe even if Six is a revamp of the Helen model....and if maybe all of the colonists are hybrids......

My office is having a lot of wild discussions abou this...

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Latest web-episodes from BSG:

2009-01-18T05:00:49Z

Latest web-episodes from BSG:

http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=870861&eid=873302

And (no offence is meant) we learn something else about Gaeta…

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Tonight is the night...

2009-01-17T02:42:51Z

Who, oh who, is the Fifth? I think I heard a male voice shouting back at them to go back to where they came from?

And how will the shit hit the fan with the fleet knowing Earth is a bust; rebellion is likely...

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BSG-S4.5

2009-01-07T05:31:54Z

When does the first episode of 'Season 4.5' air?

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This Had Better Be Good...

2008-12-28T01:15:20Z

After all the waiting, this had better be good!

If the show just flickers out the way The Sopranos did, then RDM can kiss off all hopes for any kind of following for the prequel series supposedly in development. To say nothing of any future projects.

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The Truth

2008-12-26T17:45:56Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j7_p3Slno4

"I am coming for all of you!"
- Roslin

"I remember everything...."
- Galen?

Sounds Interesting.... 1 month, 8 days, 22 hours to go!

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You Will Know The Truth

2008-12-14T00:02:18Z

01-16-09

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/

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Sarah Palin channels the spirit of Laura Roslin?

2008-10-25T15:03:59Z

Ever since McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate I have been pondering the similarities to Laura Roslin in the Battlestar Galactica world. Granted, the similarities are thin but I think the general attitudes towards women in power, degrees of experience, and background bear some resemblances between the real world and the BSG world. Much more so than Hillary Clinton and Laura Roslin. The biggest similarity is the suddenness with which both were thrust into the center of power. And although Palin is at the bottom of the ticket, should McCain be elected and should anything happen to him we will get to see how she handles the #1 post.

In the mean time will be interesting to see how Palin fills out her new role as aspiring vice president. Will she step up to the plate like Roslin?

Whatchu think?

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Spoilers For The Rest of Season 4: Anyone have the heart?

2008-09-26T13:34:36Z

Corroborating reports indicate they are true, and if they turn out to be, it's what I've been saying along... check out other posts I've made in this tribe:

SPOILER ALERT?? Did BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Actor Aaron Douglas Give Away Too Much To KUFO Radio Nerds??
I am – Hercules!!

Aaron Douglas, who plays Cylon Galen Tyrol on “Battlestar Galactica,” may have forgotten what was revealed at the end of 4.10 (the series’ mid-season finale, which hit SciFi June 13) and what was shot for 4.11, which hits SciFi in January.
Earth is the Cylon homeworld, Douglas tells KUFO-FM radio personalities Cort and Fatboy.

Excerpt:

Q. Tell me this. Do we ever get to see the Cylon homeworld?

AARON DOUGLAS: You did at the end of the middle of season four.

Q. (pause) Wow! Really? You’re saying Earth is the Cylon homeworld?

AD: Earth, in the scriptures, is the Cylon homeworld. Yeah, they say they found evidence, they found other people, and they’re all Cylon. Or they found bones and stuff, scattered all around, and they’re Cylon.

Q. Wow!

AD: Did you not listen to that – did you not watch that?

Q. That was not made clear! Yeah, I missed that! Yeah! I saw everybody standing around …

AD: Watch the last 10 minutes. They say, when they’re digging in the, all that kind of stuff.

Q. The last thing they showed was everybody looking pissed because everything looks destroyed. I didn’t get that they were pissed because everything was Cylon. Everything was destroyed because there was like a Cylon civil war that caused them to go forth and …

AD: Tune in and watch.

Other tidbits:

* “The Plan” is now apparently the title of the “Razor”-like 2009 Cylon-centric prequel TV-movie, directed by Edward James Olmos from a teleplay by Jane Espenson (“Buffy the Vampire Slayer”). Douglas says it starts 15 days prior to Cylon War II and continues “up to somewhere in season three or four.”

* Douglas reacts to the ending: “I gotta tell ya, if you liked season two better than season one and season three better than season two and on and on and on, you will love the back 10 of season four and you will love how the show ends. When the show ends, you will not want it to continue. It is the most perfect ending in the history of TV. I fully, firmly believe it, and I do not want to see any more. I want it to just be over. I want the last time you see all these characters to be the last time. It’s just absolutely breathtaking and it’s perfect.”

* Does this mean Galen Tyrol survives to the end? “The last time you see the chief, whenever that is, is perfect.”

* Before the landing the role of Tyrol, Douglas auditioned for Lee Adama and Gaeta.

* Douglas learned in Beverly Hills that “Battlestar Galactica” is Robin Williams’ favorite TV show.

The entire interview is over at Cort and Fat Boy:

http://www.cortandfatboy.com/

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Sychronicity

2008-09-12T18:37:58Z

OK, I don't know whether its the Republican ticket's similarities to Saul Tigh and Laura Rosilin or the fact that I discovered my sparring partner's last name is Adama - but the BSGness of life is getting excessive.

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Caprica ( TV series) Trailer

2008-08-24T16:53:22Z

Well Here's a sneak peak of the series Caprica

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?clip=4&sub=specials

I'm not sure if it looks good enough to watch but like most of you! I'll wait until it premieres, then I'll pass judgment! ; p

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Kevin Smith leading the BSG panel at San Diego Comic Con

2008-07-24T02:40:09Z

Anyone else gonna be there besides me ?

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Now Try To Tell Me That Wasn't Worth The Wait...

2008-07-08T20:12:31Z

G*ddam good a**ed episode.

My feeling about this season (and the entire series in fact) is that in the end it will be meant to be absorbed like a well written novel. Not every page will be on fire, but the pages that are on fire are smoking because everything makes sense. To me the set up for what is happening now all makes sense. For my part it was necessary to spend a few episodes on character development so that the choices that lead up to whatever dramatic ending this story has make sense. I know for some it was tedious, but whatever. If we had just hopped from final five revelation to some other exciting plot twist and on to another the show would be as flat as every other sci-fi show out there (including Star Trek... though I hold some reservations on that critique for Deep Space Nine). What makes this show head and shoulders above everything else in and out of its genre is the way the charecter development DRIVES the action and the plot. That is the way it is supposed to be.

Because of the slow episodes we know all of the nuances driving Tigh's actions. And although we have four revealed cylons we can distinguish between them and understand their motivations. We know now that everyone seems to be in a very important position to influence what happens next. Sam and Gaeta, Tory, Roslin and Baltar, Tigh and Tryol, Tyrol and Athena, Tyrol and Hera, Tyrol and Baltar, Tigh and Adama, Tigh and Six, Tigh and Athena (murderer of a Six)... there are so many that I could go on at length but the point is any and/or all of these dynamics could be major factors. There is so much to consider while watching each episode because we know so much about each character and that at times makes the show unbearably tense, to me, makes each episode excruciatingly good.

I suspect once the entire series is out on DVD and there is time to absorb it as a complete narrative at whatever pace suits you, much like a novel it will flow and every piece will be as satisfying as it should be. There will always be those who will complain that the pace is too slow and those are the folks that are probably apt to jump ahead a few chapters or to the end of the book when reading a novel.

I know some folks just won't agree with me, but whatever. There has been plenty of bashing of the writers, I mays as well stand up and speak my peace.

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Inferences on the 5th

2008-07-06T19:08:54Z

Okay, so they've found Earth, and it's a dud. The only thing left unresolved is the Fifth Unknown Cylon, who has to be behind everything we've seen thus far. Ruling out the 'Who', we can at least infer a few 'What''s.

1. The Fifth apparently has access to sophisticated technology, at the very least an entire shipyard or manufacturing process--Starbuck's Viper looks newly-minted.

2. The Fifth is capable of either wiping Starbuck's memories or of placing her in some kind of stasis, since she remembers next to nothing about her journey beyond a few vague recollections.

3. The Fifth is Machiavellian, as (s)he has been manipulating events and determining the course of the Exodus, probably from the very beginning.

4. The Fifth is unaffected by the Cylon Civil War, implying (s)he has little or nothing to lose.

5. If (s)he has nothing to lose, then it is logical to assume that the Fifth has a redoubt or headquarters located far away from the battlefields, and is unafraid of that base being discovered.

6. If the above is true, then either the entire base is either Cloaked (impractical--power consumption would be too great) or the location is known only to the Fifth, and is probably well-protected.

7. If the base is well-protected, the Fifth must have several divisions of Centurions and many squadrons of Raiders to protect the base. Also, such protectors would be "unmodified", and incapable of higher thought--drones to the Fifth's will.

8. It is reasonable to assume that the Fifth knew about the attack on the Twelve Colonies, as all Cylons knew about it, save those few "sleepers" sent in to infiltrate. The fact that the Fifth did nothing to stop said attack is proof of the Fifth's "inhumane" attitude toward human life.

9. If the Fifth was behind the whirlpool which brought Starbuck to Earth (as seems likely) then the Fifth could arrange a similar transport-effect as (s)he sees fit.

10. The Fifth is capable of generating sensory images visible to only one person, for the express purpose of manipulating that person's actions. Such a tool has proven to be extraordinarily useful in population control. This also implies long-term research and experimentation into psychology, sensory input, and behavioral manipulation.

11. Given the long period of the Exodus, the Fifth has well-developed patience.

12. The fifth has access to large amounts of raw materials, particularly fuel and ammunition. (S)He has been able to track both the fleet and their Cylon pursuers across hundreds of parsecs.

13. Given the time spent on the pursuit, the Fifth must have a vested interest in both the fleet and the Cylons which has not yet been discovered. Such an interest supersedes all common necessities (food, clothing, shelter).

14. If the Fifth went to Earth before the fleet or the Cylons it is possible that (s)he was there before the nuclear devestation. If that is the case, samples of Earth (people, technology, information) may have been salvaged and put into storage by the Fifth for future use.

15. If the Fifth has been at the back of everything that has thus far happened, then the Fifth regards both humans and Cylons as mere pawns to be used and discarded as needed. As such, (s)he will not appear until such time as (s)he desires, and will be well-armed and prepared for all eventualities.

16. To accomplish everything, the Fifth would undoubtedly need more than one human (or, skinjob) lifetime, and as such is not affected by age, such as Saul Tigh. It is also likely that the Fifth would not take the risk of either accidental death or discovery, and has therefore built a private Resurrection Hub!

Despite finding Earth, the fleet has yet to face its greatest challenge.

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Full Circle?

2008-06-21T06:42:22Z

The Hybrid said, ""And the fifth, still in the shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them."

Redemption for their treatment of the Twelve Colonies? For New Caprica? For all the battles, all the tortures, all the death? Is redemption possible? And if so, how?

I can only postulate one way: The Cylons must repair, replace, and rebuild all that they have despoiled. They must put themselves at the disposal of the humans, and follow their every command. "By your command"!

In effect, the Cylons would have to return to the servitude which they were originally created for! To win redemption and escape from their sins, they would have to go back to the beginning.

This hypothesis is not as far-fetched as it sounds. Consider that the Cylons--in attempting to understand their creators--took it upon themselves to study both science and religion. They saw themselves as the next step in evolution, and married that to the idea that the child always seeks to better the parent.

In terms of technology Cylons have appeared to out do their creators, but in religion, and emotions, and philosophy they made mistake after mistake. Not surprising, really. To quote Bladerunner, "We began to recognize in them a strange obsession. After all, they are emotionally inexperienced, with only a few years in which to store up the experiences which you and I take for granted." Moreover, the Cylons had no parent-figure to guide them. They were literally feral children, fending for themselves. Small wonder they turned to religion in an attempt to point the way. That works for some people, of course. Religion acts a salve; each time you burn yourself the words make the pain go away. For a while. But if the wound festers, after a while no salve in the world will help--and the person in pain starts thinking about fire! Burn away the infection of the soul and grow stronger. Sadly, what usually happens is that all the love is consumed in the process, and all that is left is self-righteousness and a desire to punish!

Which brings us back to the Cylons. They've almost gone back to the beginning: no resurrection ships, only a handful of them left, and the promised land has proved to be a barren heath almost devoid of life. They've practically moved back in with their parents, and the Older Sister who seemed to have all the answers has proved to be almost as clueless as the rest of them. So, what now?

Either they will open the Sacred Scrolls, or go for a class of Sunday School with Father Baltar, and the subject will turn to Redemption. What can be done to clear the slate?

I'm reminded of the Mr. Wizard cartoons, where the protagonist looks up and says, "Aw Mr. Wizard, I made a mess of things again!"

"Be just what you is," says Mr. Wizard, shaking his finger pedantically, "not what you is not. Folks that do this are the happiest lot."

The Cylons were created to be servants. They must return to servitude to earn their redemption.

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Razor Spoiler Thread

2008-06-20T02:31:51Z

OK, this will be the thread for those of us who just got back from watching Razor (as shown in Seattle & 10 other cities this evening).

All I'll say at this point is that it fracking rocked.

So, what did y'all think?

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More loose ends

2008-06-20T00:54:42Z

The "virus". Did it die with the people of Earth? Or did it mutate?
Otherwise the Cylons with the humans will die real soon.
That is assuming the probe came from Earth or that the virus
itself did (where else would a Voyager style probe pick it up?)
What other microbes are on Earth waiting to infect both
Colonials and Cylons alike? Nukes can barely touch
them.

Who put the note above the command console for Adama
to find stating that there "are only 12 models..."? And why?

How will the Cylons with Cavil react upon meeting the
four/five? It's only a matter of time until they find Earth
as well.

A thought on the last episode: it looks like an alternate
version of what would have been the final episode.
A final episode as bitter and controversial as the End of
Evangelion movie. Makes me wonder if RDM is a Neon
Genesis fan after all :-)

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4.12: "Revelations"

2008-06-19T23:22:03Z

Jesus! What a mind-frak of an episode!

I did NOT see THAT Earth being at the end of the line. Current day, maybe. Ancient past, more likely. But eons after a Terran apocalypse? Nope!

And now we get to wait until 2009 for the real finalé?!! Arrrgghhhhhh!!!

Even a series of webisodes or one or more Razor-ish movies isn't going to make the time pass any faster!

Sigh ...

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Where can I watch "The Hub"?

2008-06-18T22:47:47Z

I was camping all last week and the standard SciFi channel stream I ussually watch BSG on, isn't making "The Hub" available for some reason...

Are there any other legal (i.e. authorized and/or copyright-ok) sites I can stream this episode from?

PS> I'm terribly uptight about that legal part...

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The Hub....spoilers

2008-06-18T15:46:45Z

Wow...just...wow.

What a fraking great episode. Next week looks hella crazy and I love that look that D'anna gives the fab four.

And what about the special effects when the Hub blew? That was something beautiful.

Only one more until 2009! Arg! Totally gonna suck...but be well worth the wait. Do you think they will do a DVD release thing like they did with Season 2 (2.0 and 2.5)?

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Earth the forsaken hope?

2008-06-18T15:27:55Z

As I posted before:

Thrace was indeed the Harbinger of Death; how much more so know remains to be see with the series completion?

Earth appears to be a Nuked out of habitability in the past -- the question now is where do they go from there?

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Wild card

2008-06-17T04:21:48Z

The wild cards in the BG saga are the Centurions. With the inhibitor against higher functions removed, there is nothing to stop them from accumulating information and experiences with both humans and skinjobs, and forming their own conclusions. There is also the wealth of information available to them in the Cylon databases about Cylon history after the first armistice was signed, something that the humans no nothing about.

What conclusions they might draw is impossible to say, but judging from the fact that they require courtesies from skinjobs to do their assigned tasks means that they already consider themselves equals, which is a dangerous precedent as the Cavils pointed out. Who knows what new demands they will make?

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Speaking of homages

2008-06-15T22:56:17Z

I was just about to catch up on this last season of Lost. Meaning...everything since the third episode. I got bored. I noticed that episode 9 of this last season was titled: The Shape of Things to Come.

An homage to BSG perhaps? Or a cheap rip off?

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and speaking for "fanboy" / "fangirl" stuff (Raptor and Viper gripe)

2008-06-14T10:57:21Z

Now that the series is ending and how we saw Adama sitting by himself in a Raptor as the fleet jumps off, I came to realize that the Raptor has been portrayed as just a shuttle and scout ship in the episodes. In the BSG wiki, it apparently has weapons, but I've never seen it used. <http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Raptor> I've seen them go into battle supporting the Vipers...but then, what are they really doing.

I wouldn't had mind if I'd seen the Raptors take more of an offensive role by killing a few Raiders with it's missles or cannons...but, I didn't.

...okay, fanboy rant off.

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Sine Qua Non

2008-06-14T08:34:19Z

NEXT EPISODE: POSSIBLE SPOILERS

So the Latin phrase Sine Qua Non means "without which it could not be." I believe I saw Romo Napkin on the next preview episode. Anyone have any thoughts why this character is reurning? and why the phrase "without which it could not be" is used as the title episode?

Also where the frak did the baseship jump to? Hmm?

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Do you like mid-season finales?

2008-06-14T03:43:00Z

Scifi keeps giving us mid-season finales. It might have first started with the show Ghost Hunters a year or two ago. Now its being done with Battlestar too (I just started watching battlestar 2 seasons ago). While they may have valid reasons, like the writers strike, but I have a gut feeling they are going to keep doing the mid-season finale thing on other shows. I kind of like them, but having to wait another year for more episodes is torture.

Do you like mid season-finales?

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Predictions for the next episode Fri (30th)

2008-06-08T02:11:27Z

So what are your predictions for the characters in the next episode?? If you somehow have real spoilers please don't post. This is for people just watching like normal.

What do you think Tigh will do? He is the only one that hasnt taken hard action about his Cylon identity. Do you think the Six in the jail has some kind of power over him?

- I think Tigh will go against the presidents assistant cylon (whatsername) that had sex with baltar. She is a loose card. I think Tigh might rat out the other cylons in the group. But he is playing it cool until he can get evidence. Him and sharon so far seem like the only cylons that are worth a damn. I know I forget plot points, but I hope they don't make Tigh change sides, he is too awesome.

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So close and yet so far!!!!!

2008-06-06T22:49:21Z

/me chews off own arm while waiting for next episode

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BSG Gag Reel

2008-06-06T06:45:35Z

I just found this. It has some added stuff to it (like EJO from back in the 70's...wooo....Fraking sexy). I want a copy of that song at the end too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdmo_KCsutI&NR=1

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You have been invited to Join the Fight!

2008-06-06T02:21:39Z

Come join the Battlestar Galactica social gaming experience and choose a
side, Cylon or Human.

On a weekly basis, you will engage in new missions, attempting to accrue
wins for your team by taking part in online games and challenges. At the end
of each week, one of the teams will be declared the victor. And the prize is
more than bragging rights: you'll be deciding the fate of humanity, once and
for all.

You can also earn personal points (cubits) on an ongoing basis, giving you
the currency you'll need to "pimp" your very own virtual Viper or Raider.
Plus, you can comment on each other's pages, upload your favorite photos,
and build your own network of friends.

Join now and be a part of the fight during the final season of Battlestar
Galactica.

http://jointhefight.scifi.com/accounts/registeremail?invitedBy=MmM1OGJlOTA3ZjAwMDAwMTQzYWIxODg5MjdkYmNiZTA=

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Costuming

2008-06-05T04:53:37Z

Hey all. Do any of you have some good pics or directions for making the basic costume they wear on BSG? I'm thinking the grey T-shirt and over-tank top.

Thanks all.

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2007–2008 WGA strike and BSG

2008-06-04T20:45:34Z

Please somebody correct me if I am wrong here. The first BSG 4.0 episodes were written and filmed before the writers strike on Nov. 5 2007, then after a four month hiatus they resumed filming.

I would also assume that during that four month period (whether or not they actually acknowledge it) they had considerable time to rehash and nail down the final plot lines and episodes.

my question is this: Do you think that we will see a significant shift in episode direction and writing after this break? And will it be for the better?

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the fifth cylon is......

2008-06-03T19:15:12Z

The dog! Finally, after all this time the fifth cyclon has been revealed! I feel relieved because I originally thought it was the cat but then I found out it's an imaginary pussy so....like many of us who have those...I was relieved when the final cyclon barked...Now that the secret has been discovered what can we expect from this harbinger of cylonic history?...Well, first, we know that the tribe will not end up in
Egypt...cats have the upper paw there...(by the way, what does 'the tribe' eat anyway?..is that why there are no animals seen???)...after the singing espisode I thought 'the tribe' would end up being the lost tribe of israel but no..it was just one of those weird singing moments we all know and love (probably a left over from the Miami Vice years).....Anyway, we all know how manipulative dogs are and how they can get their way with little of no verbal interaction (must be a relief for the writers). And like Noah's ark..they carry many life forms with them....yes, it's the dog.

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Starting from Square One

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Caprica

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Don't care much about history

Link: Battlestar's "Daybreak:" The worst ending in the history of on-screen science fiction

So now what? How about V???

BattleStar Galactica Film rumor confirmed

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JJ Abrams's STAR TREK

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Caprica review

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The new Galactica reminds me of B5

So, Now What....

BSG cameos on CSI

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How do you think it should have ended...?

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BSG cast & crew speak at UN, piss off the Sagittarons

Obama Depressed, Distant Since 'Battlestar Galactica' Series Finale

Robot Chicken, BSG and Star Trek

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No Exit

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I just noticed there only 10 episodes in this final season.

Blood on the Scales - Feb 6th episode

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Neck injury

Kara

Series Closure Connected to Classic Series?

Battlestar Glactica: The Plan

An Excruciating Last Season

Frak Me!

My Geekyness is Confirmed…

One word you can say on Television

Frak Me Pt. III

The best government is a benevolent tyranny tempered by an occasional assassination.

Geata's Got A Gun...******POSSIBLE SPOILERS*******

Frack me pt. II

the be da be da be da be robot with the computer medallion

Just noticed this on Friday's...

How much does Gaius really know?

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BSG-S4.5

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The Truth

You Will Know The Truth

Sarah Palin channels the spirit of Laura Roslin?

Spoilers For The Rest of Season 4: Anyone have the heart?

Sychronicity

Caprica ( TV series) Trailer

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